We sat down across from him hoping the conversation would go well. We weren't here for a fight. We just wanted to use the church facilities. We got the nice crap out of the way and broke it down plain and simple.
Him: Your church and our church have theological differences.
Us: What are they?
Him: You have a literal view of the Bible, correct?
Us: Well....(and here's where I'm thinking....doesn't everyone?!)....yes.
Him: So...you think God actually created everything in 6 days.
Us: (Again, I'm in shock) Well.....yeah....you don't?
Him: No...we think that is a figurative estimate (or something along those lines). We believe the first 11 chapters of Genesis are stories created to explain who we are in God.
Us: (my heart is racing...I've never heard of such a thing) Uh....stories? Like, they were made up? Like...they never happened?
Him:
Rrrrrright.
At this point I could tell he was trying to make all of this as comfortable and respectful as possible but it was starting to slip towards REALLY uncomfortable.
Me: So, just so I understand what you are saying....Adam was not a real person. He never existed.
Him:
Rrrrrrright.
Me:
Ok.
This was where I had to take an emotional time out. My whole life I had been taught Adam and Eve were real people. When I was a
pre-Christian, I read Genesis and took on the belief that none of that could have really happened. It was impossible. Those were figurative stories which helped explain why things are the way they are. When I became a believer, I realized it was still impossible...humanly impossible. But God ain't human and He is God. Yeah, it took Him six days.
Him: You probably don't believe in evolution, either, do you?
Us: (looking at each other...looking back to him) No...well, micro evolution but not macro.
Him: Please explain.
Me: I don't believe I came from an
amoeba or an ape. I was created as is. I do think we have evolved or changed due to environment. Becoming taller overtime or losing the function of our appendix....but I'm always going to be a human...just like I am now.
Him: Okay.
Me: Listen, during our wedding service, we aren't going to talk about creation or evolution. We'll probably have our pastor share the gospel which is what you and I both have in common as brothers and sisters in Christ....but just to be sure....how do we get to heaven? Or, how are we saved?
Him: You're either in or your out. There's either heaven or hell. (Joey and I both look at each other, smile, let a sigh of relief escape us). There is nothing you can do to gain salvation. Nothing. It is all up to God's grace and if you are chosen by Him.
Me: So, what you're saying is that I declare myself a Christ Follower, I accept Jesus as my savior.... but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to heaven?
Him: I hope so.
Me: Hope? Wow. I thought I knew.
Joey and I had many
opportunities to get into heated theological debates with this man, even over the most simple things....but we didn't. We were honest with him and he was honest with us. He was also trying to keep everything as positive as possible which we appreciated and tried to follow his lead. The only time I got a little defensive was when I was talking about submission in a marriage. He said he as glad we took comfort in that but his church does not believe in it. I came back with, "I'm not the one who made it up. I'm getting this from the Bible...from
Corinthians." But Joe and I stayed on track. We submitted to his authority over the position he is in.
But that doesn't mean I didn't feel sick when I left. My spirit was grieving. I wanted to gather my pastors around and say, "what the heck is going on?!?! Why have you been teaching us this stuff? Where are you getting it from?? Why do I have to be different....the outsider...the weirdo." I wrestled with that for a minute or two until Chuck called us back. He put us at ease. He smoothed some things out.
I realized I was still a baby Christian. I still need help with understanding Christianity and why a church down the street has such different beliefs than me. And is that okay?
I realized I was maturing as a Christian because really, I didn't argue with him, but I knew in my heart, what he was saying wasn't right. Scripture was jumping into my head. I may not have been able to win any kind of debate but my faith was there. It was solid. It may have Chuck
Norrised him.
Today at lunch, I thought about calling another church...one from the same religion as the church we visited yesterday. Instead, I found myself driving to this church. The rain soaked through my shoes to my socks as I ran through puddles to the door. With umbrella in hand, I reached for the handle and realized it was locked. Nuts. The door was only open on Sundays. Drat.
But I didn't turn around to leave. I just stood there in the rain. And I stood there.
And I stood there.
And someone saw me and let me in. I asked to speak to someone about the beliefs of the church. That someone welcomed me into his office and within a few minutes, I felt at ease. He knew I was a Christian. We agreed on many, many points. I left there feeling so lifted,
especially when I saw the rainbow appear on his screen saver.
I opened the back door to the church and pulled out my umbrella, except, it wasn't raining anymore. I smiled such a big smile for God. I blew him a kiss and my heart burst with love for Him.
I did call one of our pastors just to talk and run a few things by him but when he didn't answer, God told me it was okay. No need to leave a message. You're fine.